Christian Goths?

[Balaam's Miracle]

I was wondering how many Christian Goths/Rivetheads are frequenting this
newsgroup, if any.

The reason i'm asking is because i have just subscribed to this NG after
having been away from usenet for, oh, a good 2 years. Now my ISP don't
store messages very long (less than a week) so my apologies if i'm asking
something that has come up earlier.

Anyway, it would be good to know that i'm not the only one here that is
interested in Gothic, Industrial and the likes, made from a Christian
point of view.

(If you are a lurker and you fit into one or both of the aforementioned
categories, please consider this to be your official delurk call)

[Stefan Bruhn]

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:05:17 GMT, "Balaam's Miracle"

Post by Balaam's Miracle
I was wondering how many Christian Goths/Rivetheads are frequenting this
newsgroup, if any.

I would consider myself neither of those things, but I do like some of
the music.

Saviour Machine
Mental Destruction
Sanctum

The last two I've only heard samples of, but I liked what I heard :)

I haven't really heard much else of either genre...

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by Stefan Bruhn
I would consider myself neither of those things, but I do like some of
the music.
Saviour Machine
Mental Destruction
Sanctum
The last two I've only heard samples of, but I liked what I heard :)
I haven't really heard much else of either genre...

Excellent taste! And great to read that there is at least one other person
in this NG that likes the same stuff as i do. But there is so much more
(excellent taste though). Just mentioning a few:

Industrial bands:

Central Pod Man
Social Engine (formerly Social Engineer)
Parca Pace
Blissett 137
Azure Skies
You already know Joseph Experimental, i take it.
And there's little old me, trying to put together my 2nd track under the
name of Stromkreis.

Goth bands:

Godscare
BATZZ in the Belfry
The Awakening
Killingtheoldman
The Eternal Chapter
Lycia/Estrella/Tara van Flower

As i said, these are just a few names and there are oodles more. I have
linked to most of them from my website, but i desperately need to make
time to check, add and update the links again.
It's a never ending task, but i'm happy that i can do it. :-)

[Jeff Edwards]

Post by Balaam's Miracle
Lycia/Estrella/Tara van Flower

Any idea what Tara (and/or Mike VanPortfleet - they're married, yes?) is
up to these days? I know they recorded "Tripping Back..." 2 years ago,
but from what I remember they had semi-retired due to health problems or
somesuch.

Anyhow, I have pretty much all of Lycia's work - great rainy afternoon
mellow-out stuff. I also have Tara's solo album, but thought it was
missing something. You mentioned Estrella in your list - I know that
this is one of their albums - and one of the best in my opinion - was
there another side project or something where they used that name?

Are you into other folks on the Projekt label, or just Lycia because of
the Christian connection? I've always thought Black Tape For a Blue Girl
did some marvelous and well-orchestrated work. I also like the things
I've heard from Stoa, Faith & The Muse, Love Spirals Downward, etc.

Jeff Edwards
***@sbcglobal.net

[Balaam's Miracle]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:22:00 GMT, Jeff Edwards

Post by Jeff Edwards

Post by Balaam's Miracle
Lycia/Estrella/Tara van Flower

Any idea what Tara (and/or Mike VanPortfleet - they're married, yes?)

Heh, i'm not really knowlegable of their personal relationship, but Tara
is often also referred to as Tara vanPortfleet so that seems to indicate
that they are indeed married.
In case you want to be 100% sure, you may want to ask them yourselves,
they have a guestbook on their website :-)
( http://www.lyciummusic.com/ )

Post by Jeff Edwards
is up to these days? I know they recorded "Tripping Back..." 2 years
ago,
but from what I remember they had semi-retired due to health problems or
somesuch.

Well, after the 2002 "Tripping Back Into the Broken Days" release, another
Lycia album came out in 2003, entitled "Empty Space" (available through
http://www.flamingfish.com )
Currently, Mike vanPortfleet is recording an album called "Beyond The
Horizon Line", which is scheduled for this fall.

Post by Jeff Edwards
Anyhow, I have pretty much all of Lycia's work - great rainy afternoon
mellow-out stuff. I also have Tara's solo album, but thought it was
missing something. You mentioned Estrella in your list - I know that
this is one of their albums - and one of the best in my opinion - was
there another side project or something where they used that name?

My bad, i meant Estraya (Estraya, Estrella... sounds the same eh? :-)),
which was the "treated acoustic" sideproject of Mike and Tara that
released the album "The Time Has Come and Gone" (1999)
Now something's special about "Trippping Back...". The album cover says
that it is a Lycia album, but according to the history and the discography
on Lycia's page, it's actually an Estraya album, released under the name
of Lycia.

Post by Jeff Edwards
Are you into other folks on the Projekt label, or just Lycia because of
the Christian connection? I've always thought Black Tape For a Blue Girl
did some marvelous and well-orchestrated work. I also like the things
I've heard from Stoa, Faith & The Muse, Love Spirals Downward, etc.

I'm not really a fan of labels, they mean very little to me, they often
restrict artists. I rather like bands.
But to answer your question, yes, i like a couple of the other (and
secular) bands too, but i tend to focus more on the Christian connections
because i know that they can relate to me and i to them.
Faith and the Muse is Great and i have seen STOA live though it didn't do
much for me. Maybe it was because they were at the wrong place at the
wrong time, it was a concert with Covenant, Angels and Agony, Funker Vogt,
etc. So they were kinda out of place as being the only ethereal band that
played that night.
I listen to secular music too, but the majority of music that i put on is
Christian.

[scholar and fool]

Post by Balaam's Miracle
I was wondering how many Christian Goths/Rivetheads are frequenting
this newsgroup, if any.
The reason i'm asking is because i have just subscribed to this NG
after having been away from usenet for, oh, a good 2 years. Now my
ISP don't store messages very long (less than a week) so my apologies
if i'm asking something that has come up earlier.
Anyway, it would be good to know that i'm not the only one here that
is interested in Gothic, Industrial and the likes, made from a
Christian point of view.
(If you are a lurker and you fit into one or both of the
aforementioned categories, please consider this to be your official
delurk call)

i'm not much of a rivethead, and i was never goth, but i used to
be fairly into industrial. i still like a lot of electronic music,
but i'm not as into industrial itself. i dabbled in darkwave, but
most of it just didn't do much for me. i still really like the
thymikon album. recently i've been getting into old country and
alt.country a lot, which while dealing with a lot of "negative"
or sad/depressing issues, is not generally associated very closely
with industrial or gothic music...though maybe it should be. :)

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by scholar and fool
i'm not much of a rivethead, and i was never goth, but i used to
be fairly into industrial. i still like a lot of electronic music,
but i'm not as into industrial itself. i dabbled in darkwave, but
most of it just didn't do much for me. i still really like the
thymikon album.

I haven't really heard a lot of Thymikon's work and i still have to get
the album, so i'll just take your word for it :-)
But since Thymikon, a lot of other bands popped up. Maybe there still is
something new that you might like.
I don't know if you ever got into EBM or Synthpop, but in case you like
that, then you should most definitely check out Resurrection Eve. You can
download a few samples from their website at http://www.resurrectioneve.com

Post by scholar and fool
recently i've been getting into old country and
alt.country a lot, which while dealing with a lot of "negative"
or sad/depressing issues, is not generally associated very closely
with industrial or gothic music...though maybe it should be. :)

Of course it should, just look at 16 Horsepower, they do very well in both
the Christian as well as the secular scene.
But i'm not a country fan myself, the music just doesn't move me, it hits
no nerve in me. But i guess that's why they say to each his/her own ;-)

Hey, here's an idea, how about electronic country? I imagine it would
kinda sound like Wall of Voodoo. Anyway, that might be just perfect for
you, then again, it may not if you are a purist. :-)

[scholar and fool]

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
i'm not much of a rivethead, and i was never goth, but i used to
be fairly into industrial. i still like a lot of electronic music,
but i'm not as into industrial itself. i dabbled in darkwave, but
most of it just didn't do much for me. i still really like the
thymikon album.

I haven't really heard a lot of Thymikon's work and i still have to
get the album, so i'll just take your word for it :-)

it was really one guy: beau branson. and he only did that one album.
well, he had another track he did for a velvet empire comp..._awaiting
the dawn_ i think. but last i knew he was a ph.d. grad student in
philosophy at notre dame.

Post by Balaam's Miracle
But since Thymikon, a lot of other bands popped up. Maybe there still
is something new that you might like.

perhaps. i've checked out the flish site a few times, and i bought
some older stuff a few months ago that i'd been meaning to buy for a
long time but never had, but i think my tolerance to sift through
things to find good stuff has decreased.

Post by Balaam's Miracle
I don't know if you ever got into EBM or Synthpop, but in case you
like that, then you should most definitely check out Resurrection
Eve. You can download a few samples from their website at
http://www.resurrectioneve.com

i've heard of them, but i'm not sure if i've heard them or much by
them. i have a pretty decent collection of the earlier years of
xian industrial, but i started losing interest in the late 90's i
guess.

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
recently i've been getting into old country and
alt.country a lot, which while dealing with a lot of "negative"
or sad/depressing issues, is not generally associated very closely
with industrial or gothic music...though maybe it should be. :)

Of course it should, just look at 16 Horsepower, they do very well
in both the Christian as well as the secular scene.

yes, i was actually specifically thinking of 16hp when i wrote that
comment. :)

Post by Balaam's Miracle
But i'm not a country fan myself, the music just doesn't move me, it
hits no nerve in me. But i guess that's why they say to each his/her
own ;-)

i grew up in a small town in rural central texas...i can't help it.
you can take the boy out of the country, but... ;)

Post by Balaam's Miracle
Hey, here's an idea, how about electronic country? I imagine it would
kinda sound like Wall of Voodoo. Anyway, that might be just perfect
for you, then again, it may not if you are a purist. :-)

i tend to fall in both camps. i like purist stuff, but i can also like
alt.country or whatever as long as i get the feeling the band actually
respects the music they are stealing style from. the only stuff i can
think of that might legitimately be labeled "electronic country" has all
been pretty cheesy and/or pretty bad. i'd be interested to know if such
a thing exists and is not totally wretched.

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
I haven't really heard a lot of Thymikon's work and i still have to
get the album, so i'll just take your word for it :-)

it was really one guy: beau branson. and he only did that one album.
well, he had another track he did for a velvet empire comp..._awaiting
the dawn_ i think. but last i knew he was a ph.d. grad student in
philosophy at notre dame.

I just googled for Beau and it seems that you are right. One source calls
him a post graduate, which may indicate that he's soon free to do some
more music, should he choose to do so.

Post by scholar and fool
perhaps. i've checked out the flish site a few times, and i bought
some older stuff a few months ago that i'd been meaning to buy for a
long time but never had, but i think my tolerance to sift through
things to find good stuff has decreased.

You could always listen to the 30-second, low-quality samples that i have
up on my site. That requires a lot less patience (unless the server is
down, of course :-))

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
You can download a few samples from their website at
http://www.resurrectioneve.com

i've heard of them, but i'm not sure if i've heard them or much by
them. i have a pretty decent collection of the earlier years of
xian industrial, but i started losing interest in the late 90's i
guess.

In the late 90s, most Christian industial had lots of guitars. Stuff like
Mortal, Circle of Dust, Level and Klank were pretty popular by then, i
call music like that electrorock. I prefer EBM (Electronic Body Music)
though, that's more electronical oriented, a few examples would be
Deitiphobia, the November Commandment, temple of the Times and Fatal Blast
Whip. Resurrection Eve would be EBM.

Post by scholar and fool
yes, i was actually specifically thinking of 16hp when i wrote that
comment. :)

I knew it :-)

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
But i'm not a country fan myself, the music just doesn't move me, it
hits no nerve in me. But i guess that's why they say to each his/her
own ;-)

i grew up in a small town in rural central texas...i can't help it.
you can take the boy out of the country, but... ;)

I can see how that would make it have a sentimental value to you. Prolly
the same way as early synthpop holds a sentimental value to me.

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
Hey, here's an idea, how about electronic country? I imagine it would
kinda sound like Wall of Voodoo. Anyway, that might be just perfect
for you, then again, it may not if you are a purist. :-)

i tend to fall in both camps. i like purist stuff, but i can also like
alt.country or whatever as long as i get the feeling the band actually
respects the music they are stealing style from. the only stuff i can
think of that might legitimately be labeled "electronic country" has all
been pretty cheesy and/or pretty bad. i'd be interested to know if such
a thing exists and is not totally wretched.

I don't know if you have any music making skills or not, but you could try
to make some yourself. Then you'd know.

[scholar and fool]

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
perhaps. i've checked out the flish site a few times, and i bought
some older stuff a few months ago that i'd been meaning to buy for a
long time but never had, but i think my tolerance to sift through
things to find good stuff has decreased.

You could always listen to the 30-second, low-quality samples that i
have up on my site. That requires a lot less patience (unless the
server is down, of course :-))

perhaps i'll do that one of these days.

Post by Balaam's Miracle
In the late 90s, most Christian industial had lots of guitars. Stuff
like Mortal, Circle of Dust, Level and Klank were pretty popular by
then, i call music like that electrorock. I prefer EBM (Electronic
Body Music) though, that's more electronical oriented, a few examples
would be Deitiphobia, the November Commandment, temple of the Times
and Fatal Blast Whip. Resurrection Eve would be EBM.

i actually like the metal/guitar-oriented industrial. but i also
like more electronic-oriented forms of industrial. i'm sort of
picky about purely electronic stuff though. i like deitiphobia and
fatal blast whip (the few songs i've heard from fbw), but i'm not
much of a fan of november commandment.

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
[...] the only stuff i can think of that might legitimately be
labeled "electronic country" has all been pretty cheesy and/or
pretty bad. i'd be interested to know if such a thing exists
and is not totally wretched.

I don't know if you have any music making skills or not, but
you could try to make some yourself. Then you'd know.

yeah, with my music making skills, i'm pretty sure it would
immediately fall into the "totally wretched" category. :)

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by scholar and fool
i actually like the metal/guitar-oriented industrial.

Ah, the stuff that i call Electrorock. Because in most cases, it only has
some electronic overtones and has little to nothing to do with what
Industrial originally is.
I know this is confusing, because in the US, that is what people call
Industrial, but in fact, Industrial is a genre that uses sounds and
freeform rythmic patterns that you can hear in factories and stuff.
People also confuse Industrial with EBM. But i digress...

Back to the subject, you may like recent Torn Skin then, they make heavy
use of guitar.
Wyrick is another one that i could recommend. People tell me that they
sound like Nine Inch Nails, but i don't know NiN well enough to know
wether that's accurate.
Fell Venus has a number of tracks that you might like, though they tend to
experiment a lot and i don't know how much experimenting you can tolerate.
The Witching Hour is a new band, formed by the former drummer of CoD or
Celldweller (not sure about that), you can hear Klay's influence in their
music, even though, as i understand it, he did not help in any way putting
that album together.

Post by scholar and fool
but i also like more electronic-oriented forms of industrial. i'm sort
of picky about purely electronic stuff though. i like
deitiphobia and fatal blast whip (the few songs i've heard from fbw),
but i'm not much of a fan of november commandment.

Funny, musically, Deitiphobia and Nov Com are pretty close together. But i
can't argue with your taste :-)
If you like FBW, you should definitely check out Temple of the Times, they
are really good but haven't gotten nearly as much publicity as they should
have.
You should also keep an eye out for a new Audio Paradox album, since their
last album (from 1999) they have progressed a lot and sound better than
ever. Trust me, i wouldn't say that if i didn't really believe that.
Lastly, Heart of Darkness will have an album out soon too, if you hear his
stuff, you'll wonder where he's been hidden for all these years...

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
I don't know if you have any music making skills or not, but
you could try to make some yourself. Then you'd know.

yeah, with my music making skills, i'm pretty sure it would
immediately fall into the "totally wretched" category. :)

How country is that??? "My wife left me, my dog bit me and my music is
wretched to boot." :-))
I'd say go for it!

[pmfh]

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
i actually like the metal/guitar-oriented industrial.

[*snip*]

Post by Balaam's Miracle
Fell Venus has a number of tracks that you might like, though they tend
to experiment a lot and i don't know how much experimenting you can
tolerate.

Whoa! Does that mean there's more Fell Venus that just "@"!?!?!
(man, that's a lot of punctuation...)

Please, enlighten me...

Pax,
pmfh.
http://journalscape.com/guru/

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by pmfh

Post by Balaam's Miracle
Fell Venus has a number of tracks that you might like, though they tend
to experiment a lot and i don't know how much experimenting you can
tolerate.

(man, that's a lot of punctuation...)
Please, enlighten me...

When i say "a number of tracks", i mean tracks on the album "@". Some are
more accessible than other tracks.
To those that not familiar with Fell Venus or with their album: the music
on the album ranges from soothing near-ambient to pure industrial and
everything that's in between.

Back to your question, i am only aware of one album, so i'm sorry for
geeting your hopes up.

[scholar and fool]

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
i actually like the metal/guitar-oriented industrial.

Ah, the stuff that i call Electrorock. Because in most cases, it only
has some electronic overtones and has little to nothing to do with
what Industrial originally is.
I know this is confusing, because in the US, that is what people call
Industrial, but in fact, Industrial is a genre that uses sounds and
freeform rythmic patterns that you can hear in factories and stuff.
People also confuse Industrial with EBM. But i digress...

i'm pretty familiar with industrial music, and the arguments that go
on about what real industrial is, its origins, that sort of stuff. i
am not a fan of deconstruction, but i like bits and pieces mixed with
more traditional and structured forms of music. most of my time spent
in industrial music was during the late 80's through the late 90's, in
the US, and i was into a lot of the bands on wax trax, play it again
sam, that sort of stuff. i was very excited for their to be xian
bands playing music along those lines, because when i got into xian
music there really wasn't. other than blackhouse, which i have a kind
of love/hate relationship with, and marc plainguet aka gadget. then
along came deitiphobia, and mortal, and globalWAVEsystem. that was
the summer of '91 i guess. i went to cornerstone that year for the
first time and saw deitiphobia play their first set at c-stone. i
went up with the guys from situation taboo (a nitzer ebb sort of thing
from san antonio, texas), and it was either that year or the next year
i ran into...immortal, was it?...with them, which was a metal band
scott albert was doing. they were talking and sittab said they were
industrial dance and scott albert, in a thick new york accent, said
"oh yeah? cool! i was thinking about doing something industrial."
funny, that.

Post by Balaam's Miracle
Back to the subject, you may like recent Torn Skin then, they make
heavy use of guitar.

it's been so long since i listened to some of the flish and blacklight
samplers...i remember the band being involved with blacklight, but there
were a couple and one of them i liked a lot and one of them i didn't as
much. don't remember names. i guess i'll have to go back and listen to
the things and recall what bands i thought sounded like they had promise.

Post by Balaam's Miracle
Wyrick is another one that i could recommend. People tell me that they
sound like Nine Inch Nails, but i don't know NiN well enough to know
wether that's accurate.

heard the name, not sure if i've heard much of them or not.

Post by Balaam's Miracle
Fell Venus has a number of tracks that you might like, though they
tend to experiment a lot and i don't know how much experimenting you
can tolerate.

i liked the fell venus album pretty well. it was pretty beat-oriented,
if i recall, though not dancey. it's been awhile since i listened to it.

Post by Balaam's Miracle
The Witching Hour is a new band, formed by the former
drummer of CoD or Celldweller (not sure about that), you can hear
Klay's influence in their music, even though, as i understand it, he
did not help in any way putting that album together.

hhmmm...don't think i'm familar with that at all.

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
but i also like more electronic-oriented forms of industrial. i'm
sort of picky about purely electronic stuff though. i like
deitiphobia and fatal blast whip (the few songs i've heard from fbw),
but i'm not much of a fan of november commandment.

Funny, musically, Deitiphobia and Nov Com are pretty close together.
But i can't argue with your taste :-)

if it gets too...um...dramatic, perhaps?...i tend to lose interest.
i like stuff that sounds more pissed off or aggressive or complex
rather than stuff that just sounds spooky or dark or ominous. but
that's just a general guideline, and their are certainly exceptions.

Post by Balaam's Miracle
If you like FBW, you should definitely check out Temple of the Times,
they are really good but haven't gotten nearly as much publicity as
they should have.

i can't remember if i've heard much of anything of them or not.

Post by Balaam's Miracle
You should also keep an eye out for a new Audio Paradox album, since
their last album (from 1999) they have progressed a lot and sound
better than ever. Trust me, i wouldn't say that if i didn't really
believe that.

i'm actually friends with josh pyle. i wouldn't say we're real close
or anything, but we've known each other since around '90 or '91. our
then uncommon mutual interest in industrial gave us a connection back
in the day.

Post by Balaam's Miracle
Lastly, Heart of Darkness will have an album out soon
too, if you hear his stuff, you'll wonder where he's been hidden for
all these years...

never heard of it/him, i don't believe.

[Jeff Edwards]

Post by scholar and fool
the US, and i was into a lot of the bands on wax trax, play it again
sam, that sort of stuff.

Not too long ago I picked up the Wax Trax "Black Box" box set. Not exactly
r.m.c fare, but folks like us who fondly remember Wax Trax might want to
check it out.

Post by scholar and fool
other than blackhouse

Man, I know what you mean there. Sometimes it's just too tough a listen,
but other times just right. I think I have the LP version of 'We Will
Fight Back' around here somewhere with the controversial rabbit picture.

Post by scholar and fool
it's been so long since i listened to some of the flish and blacklight
samplers...i remember the band being involved with blacklight, but

Was it Blacklight that put out the Escape the Furnace samplers? I also
have the three-disc Cataclysm Singles thing, which I think is theirs.
Awaiting the Dawn seems like maybe it was as well?

Jeff Edwards
***@sbcglobal.net

[scholar and fool]

Post by Jeff Edwards

Post by scholar and fool
the US, and i was into a lot of the bands on wax trax,
play it again sam, that sort of stuff.

Not too long ago I picked up the Wax Trax "Black Box" box set.
Not exactly r.m.c fare, but folks like us who fondly remember
Wax Trax might want to check it out.

yeah, i've heard mention of the wax trax box set a number of
times, but i never have picked it up.

Post by Jeff Edwards

Post by scholar and fool
other than blackhouse

Man, I know what you mean there. Sometimes it's just too tough
a listen, but other times just right. I think I have the LP
version of 'We Will Fight Back' around here somewhere with the
controversial rabbit picture.

oh yeah, i'm not sure if i ever saw anything other than a scan
of that pic. i don't have any lps, just a fair number of
cassettes and cds. _we will fight back_ and _holy war_ are
probably two of the ones i like more, although some of the
stuff on _material world_ and _the father, the son, and the
holy ghost_ is pretty good too. it seemed like every album
got a little more accessible soundwise as the equipment he
was using got better.

Post by Jeff Edwards

Post by scholar and fool
it's been so long since i listened to some of the flish and
blacklight samplers...i remember the band being involved with
blacklight, but

Was it Blacklight that put out the Escape the Furnace samplers? I
also have the three-disc Cataclysm Singles thing, which I think is
theirs. Awaiting the Dawn seems like maybe it was as well?

yeah, blacklight did both of the first two. awaiting the dawn was
actually on velvet empire, which was more of a darkwave label. it
was financed by scott hatch of burnt toast vinyl. my wife and i
were actually supposed to help scott run velvet empire after nathan,
but we never really got the ball rolling and v-empire disappeared.

[Balaam's Miracle]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:26:46 GMT, Jeff Edwards

Post by Jeff Edwards

Post by scholar and fool
other than blackhouse

Man, I know what you mean there. Sometimes it's just too tough a listen,
but other times just right. I think I have the LP version of 'We Will
Fight Back' around here somewhere with the controversial rabbit picture.

I have that one too, for a long time i wasn't aware that it was so
controversial. I have always interpreted it as the question or statement:
"Who was crucified on easter? Jesus or a rabbit? Answer correctly and eat
His flesh and drink His blood"

Post by Jeff Edwards

Post by scholar and fool
it's been so long since i listened to some of the flish and blacklight
samplers...i remember the band being involved with blacklight, but

Was it Blacklight that put out the Escape the Furnace samplers? I also
have the three-disc Cataclysm Singles thing, which I think is theirs.

That is affirmative on all counts.

Post by Jeff Edwards
Awaiting the Dawn seems like maybe it was as well?

That one was actually put out by Flaming Fish.

[scholar and fool]

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by Jeff Edwards
Awaiting the Dawn seems like maybe it was as well?

That one was actually put out by Flaming Fish.
awaiting the dawn was actually on velvet empire, which was
more of a darkwave label.

i pulled out awaiting the dawn and it actually has both
flaming fish and velvet empire as the label. i don't know
the details of how they split costs, production, etc.

[Ack!]

Post by Balaam's Miracle
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:26:46 GMT, Jeff Edwards

Post by Jeff Edwards

Post by scholar and fool
other than blackhouse

Man, I know what you mean there. Sometimes it's just too tough a listen,
but other times just right. I think I have the LP version of 'We Will
Fight Back' around here somewhere with the controversial rabbit picture.

I have that one too, for a long time i wasn't aware that it was so
"Who was crucified on easter? Jesus or a rabbit? Answer correctly and eat
His flesh and drink His blood"

Not being overly familiar with Blackhouse I missed the point. Would
you explain this a little if it's not too overly complicated?

Ack!

[Jeff Edwards]

Post by Ack!

Post by Balaam's Miracle
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:26:46 GMT, Jeff Edwards

Post by Jeff Edwards

Post by scholar and fool
other than blackhouse

Man, I know what you mean there. Sometimes it's just too tough a
listen, but other times just right. I think I have the LP version
of 'We Will Fight Back' around here somewhere with the
controversial rabbit picture.

I have that one too, for a long time i wasn't aware that it was so
controversial. I have always interpreted it as the question or
statement: "Who was crucified on easter? Jesus or a rabbit? Answer
correctly and eat His flesh and drink His blood"

Not being overly familiar with Blackhouse I missed the point. Would
you explain this a little if it's not too overly complicated?

I can't remember all the specifics of what it was supposed to stand for
or whatever, but the cover is basically a rabbit crucified on a cross - I
think it had a crown of thorns as well. It was only on the LP version,
and I think even that was changed at some point. May be wrong on that
though.

Jeff Edwards
***@sbcglobal.net

[scholar and fool]

Post by Jeff Edwards

Post by Ack!

Post by Balaam's Miracle

[...] I think I have the LP version
of 'We Will Fight Back' around here somewhere with the
controversial rabbit picture.

I have that one too, for a long time i wasn't aware that it was so
controversial. I have always interpreted it as the question or
statement: "Who was crucified on easter? Jesus or a rabbit? Answer
correctly and eat His flesh and drink His blood"

Not being overly familiar with Blackhouse I missed the point. Would
you explain this a little if it's not too overly complicated?

I can't remember all the specifics of what it was supposed to stand
for or whatever, but the cover is basically a rabbit crucified on a
cross - I think it had a crown of thorns as well. It was only on the
LP version, and I think even that was changed at some point. May be
wrong on that though.

the story i heard was that the cover art was done without the
knowledge of blackhouse, and they weren't happy about it. but
who knows if that is true or not. maybe google would turn up
more info about it.

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by Ack!

Post by Balaam's Miracle
I have that one too, for a long time i wasn't aware that it was so
"Who was crucified on easter? Jesus or a rabbit? Answer correctly and eat
His flesh and drink His blood"

Not being overly familiar with Blackhouse I missed the point. Would
you explain this a little if it's not too overly complicated?

The first cover of the We Will Fight Back LP featured the image of a
crucified rabbit.
According to Blackhouse, they had nothing to do with the choice of the
cover and Staalplaat (the label they were on then) had decided on that
cover all on their own.
If you buy the album now, you would get this cover:
Loading Image...

[Ack!]

Post by Jeff Edwards

Post by scholar and fool
it's been so long since i listened to some of the flish and blacklight
samplers...i remember the band being involved with blacklight, but

Was it Blacklight that put out the Escape the Furnace samplers? I also
have the three-disc Cataclysm Singles thing, which I think is theirs.
Awaiting the Dawn seems like maybe it was as well?

I'd love to find some more information if there are samplers that
could help me get familar with some of the names being tossed about
here. Could these still be found anywhere? Are there any others out
that are worth a listen?

Ack!

[Jeff Edwards]

Post by Ack!

Post by Jeff Edwards
Was it Blacklight that put out the Escape the Furnace samplers? I
also have the three-disc Cataclysm Singles thing, which I think is
theirs. Awaiting the Dawn seems like maybe it was as well?

I'd love to find some more information if there are samplers that
could help me get familar with some of the names being tossed about
here. Could these still be found anywhere? Are there any others out

Well, the ones I mentioned are the only ones I think I have that are
Christian bands specifically. Those are from...what....maybe 5 years
ago? If you can find copies, any of those are good. For more recent
samplers, I'll defer to those who are more attuned to current trends.

Jeff Edwards
***@sbcglobal.net

[scholar and fool]

Post by Jeff Edwards

Post by Ack!
I'd love to find some more information if there are samplers that
could help me get familar with some of the names being tossed about
here. Could these still be found anywhere? Are there any others out

Well, the ones I mentioned are the only ones I think I have that are
Christian bands specifically. Those are from...what....maybe 5 years
ago? If you can find copies, any of those are good. For more recent
samplers, I'll defer to those who are more attuned to current trends.

i would go to flamingfish.com and see what they have available
still. flish put out some samplers, as well as blacklight.
blacklight has been gone for awhile now i think. velvet empire
was a darkwave label and put out some stuff...their site is gone,
but scott hatch may have some of their stuff on his burnt toast
site: burnttoastvinyl.com.

you could also purchase the magazines on the flaming fish site,
which come with samplers. i don't recall the name off the top
of my head. there used to be one called ballistic test, but it
is something else now...automata, i think.

or look on ebay and such or xian music resellers.

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by scholar and fool
you could also purchase the magazines on the flaming fish site,
which come with samplers. i don't recall the name off the top
of my head. there used to be one called ballistic test, but it
is something else now...automata, i think.
or look on ebay and such or xian music resellers.

Right, i definitely need to take up the habit again of reading the other
replies before i reply...

But i can still add some things:
- The magazines are $5.- each, that's a steal for a 32 page mag with a CD
- You could take a look on sites like RadRockers.com and BlastBeats.com
both carry CDs at often very low prices.
- Some compilations to look out for are:
Escape the Furnace 3&4 (good luck on finding 1&2)
Electro-Shock therapy
Slava compilation - Voice of the The People
Positively Charged Electrons
- You may also want to check out the websites and/or MP3 pages of the
artists that we mention, provided that these bands still have a
webpresence.

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by Ack!
I'd love to find some more information if there are samplers that
could help me get familar with some of the names being tossed about
here. Could these still be found anywhere? Are there any others out
that are worth a listen?

It may be worth checking out http://www.flamingfish.com they specialize in
this kind of music. They still carry some of the older compilation albums,
though some are out of print.
Another way could be to order all the back issues of Automata magazine,
each issue of that that zine comes with a CD. Issue #1 (from 1999) is
still available.

[Balaam's Miracle]

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Post by Balaam's Miracle
Ah, the stuff that i call Electrorock. Because in most cases, it only
has some electronic overtones and has little to nothing to do with
what Industrial originally is.
I know this is confusing, because in the US, that is what people call
Industrial, but in fact, Industrial is a genre that uses sounds and
freeform rythmic patterns that you can hear in factories and stuff.
People also confuse Industrial with EBM. But i digress...

i'm pretty familiar with industrial music, and the arguments that go
on about what real industrial is, its origins, that sort of stuff.

Cool, i did suspect as much. But i think it's still good to explain these
things since there will also be people reading this that know little or
nothing about Industrial and all its sub-genres.

Post by scholar and fool
i was very excited for their to be xian
bands playing music along those lines, because when i got into xian
music there really wasn't. other than blackhouse, which i have a kind
of love/hate relationship with,

I love Blackhouse, but the last 2 or 3 albums don't seem to be that
spirited as We Will Fight Back and the early stuff was.
However, Blackhouse seems to be going back to its roots with their next
album, which should be good... I hope.

Post by scholar and fool
and marc plainguet aka gadget.

That's something i am still to order. I have absolutely zero by Gadget and
have no idea of what that sounds like.
Shame on me....

Post by scholar and fool
then along came deitiphobia, and mortal, and globalWAVEsystem. that was
the summer of '91 i guess.

Sounds about right. Did you also have the Donderfliegen demo?

Post by scholar and fool
i went to cornerstone that year for the
first time and saw deitiphobia play their first set at c-stone. i
went up with the guys from situation taboo (a nitzer ebb sort of thing
from san antonio, texas), and it was either that year or the next year
i ran into...immortal, was it?

Correct, Immortal was Scott's first band, or at least the first band that
he recorded something with.

Post by scholar and fool
...with them, which was a metal band
scott albert was doing. they were talking and sittab said they were
industrial dance and scott albert, in a thick new york accent, said
"oh yeah? cool! i was thinking about doing something industrial."
funny, that.

Cool story, i think i could use that someday. I am doing a show, together
with a friend of mine, on a local radio station and that's the kind of
stuff that i enjoy telling the 3 people that actually listen to the show.
"And now, the band that inspired Klay Scott to form the legendary band
Circle of Dust: Here's Bodyrong by Situation Taboo from the 1993 album
Protodemo!"

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Post by Balaam's Miracle
Wyrick is another one that i could recommend. People tell me that they
sound like Nine Inch Nails, but i don't know NiN well enough to know
wether that's accurate.

heard the name, not sure if i've heard much of them or not.

I downloaded some NiN yesterday, listened for a bit and decided that there
are many similarities between the two. Good to know in case someone asks
me for a band similar to NiN.

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Post by Balaam's Miracle
Funny, musically, Deitiphobia and Nov Com are pretty close together.
But i can't argue with your taste :-)

if it gets too...um...dramatic, perhaps?...i tend to lose interest.
i like stuff that sounds more pissed off or aggressive or complex
rather than stuff that just sounds spooky or dark or ominous. but
that's just a general guideline, and their are certainly exceptions.

Hmmm... I wonder4 what you will think of this project:
http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/CARTRIDGES_FOR_WEAPONS/
I need to mention though that it's been a while since they have put up
that track and they have progressed a lot since then.

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
You should also keep an eye out for a new Audio Paradox album, since
their last album (from 1999) they have progressed a lot and sound
better than ever. Trust me, i wouldn't say that if i didn't really
believe that.

i'm actually friends with josh pyle. i wouldn't say we're real close
or anything, but we've known each other since around '90 or '91. our
then uncommon mutual interest in industrial gave us a connection back
in the day.

Sweet, i'll tell him hi for you next time i run into him on SoulSeek.

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
Lastly, Heart of Darkness will have an album out soon
too, if you hear his stuff, you'll wonder where he's been hidden for
all these years...

never heard of it/him, i don't believe.

At the moment, i would be very surprized if you had, but you could
download a couple of his tracks from http://www.sleepwalkingboy.com if you
like.

[scholar and fool]

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
i was very excited for their to be xian
bands playing music along those lines, because when i got into xian
music there really wasn't. other than blackhouse, which i have a
kind of love/hate relationship with,

I love Blackhouse, but the last 2 or 3 albums don't seem to be that
spirited as We Will Fight Back and the early stuff was.
However, Blackhouse seems to be going back to its roots with their
next album, which should be good... I hope.

i never really could decide whether blackhouse was sincere, or
whether it was just a tongue-in-cheek response to whitehouse. i
always kind of thought the latter. i have a couple of the early
blackhouse albums and i don't like them much. but the middle
stuff was pretty good, and the later stuff was more accessible
if perhaps not quite as interesting.

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
and marc plainguet aka gadget.

That's something i am still to order. I have absolutely zero
by Gadget and have no idea of what that sounds like.
Shame on me....

i'm not sure if i have any gadget stuff or not. it was always
a little too...noisy and lo-fi for me. at least all of the
stuff i heard. kind of like early blackhouse. marc went on
to do some other projects, though i can't remember any names off
the top of my head.

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
then along came deitiphobia, and mortal, and globalWAVEsystem.
that was the summer of '91 i guess.

Sounds about right. Did you also have the Donderfliegen demo?

yeah, i still have my copy of it. i also have a handmade copy
of an early version of globalWAVEsystem's _will not play with
power_. christianE! used to post here on r.m.c back in the day.
i never did manage to get a copy of mortal's demo, although i
certainly heard a lot of people talk about it.

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
...with them, which was a metal band
scott albert was doing. they were talking and sittab said they were
industrial dance and scott albert, in a thick new york accent, said
"oh yeah? cool! i was thinking about doing something industrial."
funny, that.

Cool story, i think i could use that someday. I am doing a show,
together with a friend of mine, on a local radio station and that's
the kind of stuff that i enjoy telling the 3 people that actually
listen to the show. "And now, the band that inspired Klay Scott to
form the legendary band Circle of Dust: Here's Bodyrong by Situation
Taboo from the 1993 album Protodemo!"

i have the sittab cassettes _all 0ut_ and their first one,
which i forget the name of right now. i don't have any of
scott's stuff pre-cod. i'm not sure i'd say they "inspired"
scott to form circle of dust, but it's funny he mentioned it
to them before he was doing anything industrial, then he went
on to become one of the biggest names in xian industrial.

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
if it gets too...um...dramatic, perhaps?...i tend to lose interest.
i like stuff that sounds more pissed off or aggressive or complex
rather than stuff that just sounds spooky or dark or ominous. but
that's just a general guideline, and their are certainly exceptions.

http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/CARTRIDGES_FOR_WEAPONS/
I need to mention though that it's been a while since they have
put up that track and they have progressed a lot since then.

i listened to it. i like some of the sound choices and such, but
it was somewhat repetitive. and with nothing else to go on than that
one song, that's about all i can say. the production quality might
have been a bit low, or maybe that was a sound style they wanted.

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
i'm actually friends with josh pyle. [...]

Sweet, i'll tell him hi for you next time i run into him on SoulSeek.

cool. i noticed he was on orkut a few months ago and we traded
a couple of e-mails.

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
Lastly, Heart of Darkness will have an album out soon
too, if you hear his stuff, you'll wonder where he's been hidden
for all these years...

never heard of it/him, i don't believe.

At the moment, i would be very surprized if you had, but you could
download a couple of his tracks from http://www.sleepwalkingboy.com if
you like.

the only track that wasn't a broken link (when i tried them all just
now) was "stand by me". sounds interesting, although again it's hard
to say from just that one track.

[Ack!]

Post by scholar and fool
i have a couple of the early
blackhouse albums and i don't like them much. but the middle
stuff was pretty good, and the later stuff was more accessible
if perhaps not quite as interesting.

I was wondering what titles you would consider to be the "middle
stuff" so that maybe I could start there to find out a little more
about Blackhouse. I seem to remember "We Will Fight Back" from our
KANM days, but would have no idea where this falls in their
chronology.

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
Sounds about right. Did you also have the Donderfliegen demo?

yeah, i still have my copy of it. i also have a handmade copy
of an early version of globalWAVEsystem's _will not play with
power_. christianE! used to post here on r.m.c back in the day.
i never did manage to get a copy of mortal's demo, although i
certainly heard a lot of people talk about it.

I think I still like the Donderfliegen release better than anything
else that Deitiphobia has done, granted I have missed anything they
might have done since ... oh about 1998.

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Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
if it gets too...um...dramatic, perhaps?...i tend to lose interest.
i like stuff that sounds more pissed off or aggressive or complex
rather than stuff that just sounds spooky or dark or ominous. but
that's just a general guideline, and their are certainly exceptions.

Just out of curiousity, would you consider Saviour Machine as too
dramatic, or have I totally missed your point here?

Ack!

[scholar and fool]

Post by Ack!

Post by scholar and fool
i have a couple of the early
blackhouse albums and i don't like them much. but the middle
stuff was pretty good, and the later stuff was more accessible
if perhaps not quite as interesting.

I was wondering what titles you would consider to be the "middle
stuff" so that maybe I could start there to find out a little more
about Blackhouse. I seem to remember "We Will Fight Back" from our
KANM days, but would have no idea where this falls in their
chronology.

i would consider the middle stuff to be _we will fight back_
and _holy war_.

Post by Ack!
I think I still like the Donderfliegen release better than anything
else that Deitiphobia has done, granted I have missed anything they
might have done since ... oh about 1998.

even though the story goes that wally and brent really had
nothing to do with it, i like parts of _fear of the digital
remix_. i think i may like the donderfliegen release best as
well, although there is some stuff i like on _fear of g-d_
quite a bit.

Post by Ack!

Post by scholar and fool

Post by scholar and fool
if it gets too...um...dramatic, perhaps?...i tend to lose
interest. i like stuff that sounds more pissed off or aggressive
or complex rather than stuff that just sounds spooky or dark or
ominous. but that's just a general guideline, and their are
certainly exceptions.

Just out of curiousity, would you consider Saviour Machine as too
dramatic, or have I totally missed your point here?

saviour machine is sort of on the edge. they get a bit dramatic,
but i find them interesting.

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
I love Blackhouse, but the last 2 or 3 albums don't seem to be that
spirited as We Will Fight Back and the early stuff was.
However, Blackhouse seems to be going back to its roots with their
next album, which should be good... I hope.

i never really could decide whether blackhouse was sincere, or
whether it was just a tongue-in-cheek response to whitehouse. i
always kind of thought the latter.

I don't really think it is. I mean, you can't keep up a joke like that for
over 20 years, can you?

Post by scholar and fool
i have a couple of the early
blackhouse albums and i don't like them much. but the middle
stuff was pretty good, and the later stuff was more accessible
if perhaps not quite as interesting.

Did you listen to the Dreams Like these album? That's for a large part
pure boredom. Then again, Vox Ultra (the last one to date) was a lot
better, pretty much like Heart of Black in some places.

Post by scholar and fool
i'm not sure if i have any gadget stuff or not. it was always
a little too...noisy and lo-fi for me. at least all of the
stuff i heard. kind of like early blackhouse. marc went on
to do some other projects, though i can't remember any names off
the top of my head.

His earlier projects included solo stuff and the Crazed Bunniez, there was
some good stuff on those cassettes, but the production was below mediocre.
Then again, i used to love demos (and i still do) and i could listen right
through the sound quality and hear the potential of a band.

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Post by Balaam's Miracle
Sounds about right. Did you also have the Donderfliegen demo?

yeah, i still have my copy of it. i also have a handmade copy
of an early version of globalWAVEsystem's _will not play with
power_. christianE! used to post here on r.m.c back in the day.
i never did manage to get a copy of mortal's demo, although i
certainly heard a lot of people talk about it.

Please remember to put me in your will...

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
"And now, the band that inspired Klay Scott to
form the legendary band Circle of Dust: Here's Bodyrong by Situation
Taboo from the 1993 album Protodemo!"

i have the sittab cassettes _all 0ut_ and their first one,
which i forget the name of right now. i don't have any of
scott's stuff pre-cod. i'm not sure i'd say they "inspired"
scott to form circle of dust,

Hey, it's radio, people expect your to exaggerate :-)

Post by scholar and fool
but it's funny he mentioned it
to them before he was doing anything industrial, then he went
on to become one of the biggest names in xian industrial.

And to think that Immortal was "just another Metallica sound-alike" :-)

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/CARTRIDGES_FOR_WEAPONS/

i listened to it. i like some of the sound choices and such, but
it was somewhat repetitive. and with nothing else to go on than that
one song, that's about all i can say. the production quality might
have been a bit low, or maybe that was a sound style they wanted.

I don't think that was the aim, but as i said, it's been a while and they
progressed a lot since then.

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
i'm actually friends with josh pyle. [...]

Sweet, i'll tell him hi for you next time i run into him on SoulSeek.

cool. i noticed he was on orkut a few months ago and we traded
a couple of e-mails.

I told him Hi for you yesterday and he went straight on to talk about
C-Stone '91 and that his wife used to talk with you here in the early 90s.
:-)

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Post by Balaam's Miracle
At the moment, i would be very surprized if you had, but you could
download a couple of his tracks from http://www.sleepwalkingboy.com if
you like.

the only track that wasn't a broken link (when i tried them all just
now) was "stand by me". sounds interesting, although again it's hard
to say from just that one track.

This just in: Heart of Darkness should have the album out somewhere around
next week (if all goes as planned) through Mannequin Oddido Media.
And i'm sorry that the links were dead, i'll pass it on to the guy in
charge. There are also a couple of his songs up for download on
http://ampcast.com/oddio should you still want to hear it.

[Ack!]

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
I love Blackhouse, but the last 2 or 3 albums don't seem to be that
spirited as We Will Fight Back and the early stuff was.
However, Blackhouse seems to be going back to its roots with their
next album, which should be good... I hope.

i never really could decide whether blackhouse was sincere, or
whether it was just a tongue-in-cheek response to whitehouse. i
always kind of thought the latter.

I don't really think it is. I mean, you can't keep up a joke like that for
over 20 years, can you?

I dunno -- One Bad Pig started as a joke, as I understand it, and they
were around for a long time...

Ack!

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by Ack!

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
i never really could decide whether blackhouse was sincere, or
whether it was just a tongue-in-cheek response to whitehouse. i
always kind of thought the latter.

I don't really think it is. I mean, you can't keep up a joke like that for
over 20 years, can you?

I dunno -- One Bad Pig started as a joke, as I understand it, and they
were around for a long time...

Yes, but not for 20+ years. But even if they were, it's a different kind
of joke.
Here's the lowdown from http://www.onebadpig.com/History/history.html

"It all started back in 1985 when Carey Womack (lead vocals) and Paul
Q-Pek (guitar) and a couple of other friends were on their way from Austin
Texas to the Cornerstone Music Festival in Illinois. They stopped to get
something to eat in St. Louis at a Pizza Hut that was doing a promotion
with local radio station KSHE FM95. Available for purchase were
promotional wrap-around sunglasses which featured the radio station
mascot: a tough-looking pig wearing a muscle shirt and sunglasses,
sporting a Mohawk haircut and earring, holding an electric guitar. Carey
exclaimed, "Man, that's one bad pig!" Paul replied, "That sounds like the
name of a punk band." The rest of the trip they joked about being in this
fictional band and about all of the amazing exploits they had done, were
doing, and were about to accomplish."

The site goes on telling about how OBP was recieved and the experiences
they had originally as a joke band.
The joke got serious when they found out what a tool to spead the Message
the band was, the rest is history.

Back to Blackhouse, i agree that Blackhouse is a play on Whitehouse, but
nothing more than that.
Let me put it another way: a secular band that claims to be christian, how
big are the odds that such a band is well recieved and will survive for
such a long time, keeping their image intact?
I'd say that the odds are pretty slim, especially since 20 years ago there
wasn't really much of a market for christian underground music. Even today
that market is rather small.

That's why i still believe that Blackhouse was one of the first, if not
*thee* first christian industrial artist and i have no doubt that they are
sincere.

[Mark Langdahl]

Post by Balaam's Miracle
I was wondering how many Christian Goths/Rivetheads are frequenting this
newsgroup, if any.
The reason i'm asking is because i have just subscribed to this NG after
having been away from usenet for, oh, a good 2 years. Now my ISP don't
store messages very long (less than a week) so my apologies if i'm asking
something that has come up earlier.
Anyway, it would be good to know that i'm not the only one here that is
interested in Gothic, Industrial and the likes, made from a Christian
point of view.

I am pretty much into Christian goth and a bit into industrial as well. But
if we are talking dressing and lifestyle I think I would find it very
contradicting with my personality... Anyway since this is a music newsgroup
I guess I'm in... Saviour Machine is probably the best Christian band over
all and I am looking forward to the last album of the Legend trilogy. Other
great bands are Kohllapse and Wedding Party though both have stopped
playing.

When it comes to Christian industrial I guess my favourite band is Circle of
Dust. Especialy Disengage is quite cool.

[Jeff Edwards]

Post by Mark Langdahl
Saviour Machine is probably the
best Christian band over all and I am looking forward to the last
album of the Legend trilogy.

Is that still going to happen one of these days? It's been delayed for -
what - 2 years now?

Post by Mark Langdahl
Other great bands are Kohllapse and
Wedding Party though both have stopped playing.

I think Wedding Party had some connection to Eric from SM if I remember
right. Also related via marriage somehow is Eva O - formerly of
Christian Death but then converted. If you like goth, that might do it
for you as well.

I heard a couple of Kohllapse's albums - seemed like they had a sort of
identity crisis from album one to album two. It's been a while, but it
seems like I liked the first one a lot more than the second.

Post by Mark Langdahl
When it comes to Christian industrial I guess my favourite band is
Circle of Dust. Especialy Disengage is quite cool.

That was Klay Scott (or whatever he calls himself now), right? He went
through the whole Angeldust performance-art project with that magician
guy and now has a project called Celldweller that I haven't heard yet. I
never really heard his whole story, but he seemed really angry about his
faith and a lot of the people he dealt with in the Christian music
industry.

Jeff Edwards
***@sbcglobal.net

[Balaam's Miracle]

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:22:56 GMT, Jeff Edwards

Post by Jeff Edwards

Post by Mark Langdahl
Other great bands are Kohllapse and
Wedding Party though both have stopped playing.

I think Wedding Party had some connection to Eric from SM if I remember
right.

You are correct, Eric did produce the WP album Anthems, and he did some
backing vocals on it.

Post by Jeff Edwards
Also related via marriage somehow is Eva O - formerly of
Christian Death but then converted. If you like goth, that might do it
for you as well.

Via marriage? Really? That's something i didn't know. Can you find out if
that's really so?
BTW: Eva O's new album (and band, it's called Mz O & Her Guns now) called
Salvation should be ready in about 2-4 months, depending on wether or not
they run into any snags along the way.

[Jeff Edwards]

Post by Balaam's Miracle
Via marriage? Really? That's something i didn't know. Can you find out
if that's really so?

Like I said, it has been a few years - I seem to remember that she was
married to someone in the Clayton clan - not Eric, but a relative. I'm
sure you already know, but Eva's previous husband was of course Rozz
Williams from Christian Death. Apparently they stayed close after the
divorce and her conversion to Christianity until his suicide a few years
back.

Anyhow, I did a little searching and the only thing I can find is a mention
of Alan Clayton as her ex-husband.

Jeff Edwards
***@sbcglobal.net

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by Mark Langdahl
I am pretty much into Christian goth and a bit into industrial as well.
But if we are talking dressing and lifestyle I think I would find it very
contradicting with my personality...

That would depend. If you would dress as a goth, what would you look like?
And what kind of lifestyle would you have?
There are many different ways a Goth can dress him/herself, and many
different lifestyles that a Goth can have.

As i see it, being a Goth is not a lifestyle or a fashion thing, it's a
mindset. A certain outlook on life and all that comes with it. As someone
has put it, being a goth is seeing the beauty in a dying world.

Post by Mark Langdahl
Anyway since this is a music
newsgroup I guess I'm in... Saviour Machine is probably the best
Christian band over all and I am looking forward to the last album of
the Legend trilogy.

I wouldn't do that if i were you, looking forward to that last album
because it is supposed to be their very last album. I think that's why it
is taking so long, they may want to go out with a huge bang.

Post by Mark Langdahl
Other great bands are Kohllapse and Wedding Party though both have
stopped
playing.

Yeah, a pity really. But there are other great bands that are still going
strong.
Virgin Black is one of them, I think Spirit and the Bride is still around
too. The World Black should have an album out later this year, and Leper
is a rather new band on the radar, one to look out for.

Post by Mark Langdahl
When it comes to Christian industrial I guess my favourite band is
Circle of Dust. Especialy Disengage is quite cool.

Aside of CoD (Which is now Celldweller as you may know), bands like Level,
Klank, theCELLexperiment and Breather should not be overlooked either.
Keep an eye out for Machinecorpse, they may be releasing an album soon,
that is, if everything goes as planned...

[Ack!]

Post by Balaam's Miracle
please consider this to be your official delurk call)

[yawn]

[feels about for alarm clock]

[discovers hammer]

[smashes alarm clock]

Well, now that you have drawn me out, I'm sure that I cannot be
labelled as either goth or rivethead -- actually I'm not sure what a
"rivethead" is but surmise that it refers to an industrial afficionado
-- but these styles of music are of great interest to me. I'm
familiar with Deitiphobia, Echoing Green, Joy Electric, Mortal and a
few others on the Christian side and several more bands on the secular
side. That being said, I haven't looked at anything new by these
artists (wouldn't even know if there was or wasn't) nor sought out any
others in quite some time. I checked out your website which borders
on overwhelming in content. This is certainly a good place for me to
start. I hope to have some time to peruse it in detail.

Most recently I have been leaning towards the more synth side of these
styles. I have found myself listening to Echoing Green over and over
-- partly due to the fact it is one of only four CDs in my car and
partly because, well it's just really appealing to me now. I'm open
to any suggestions in this vein.

Ack!

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by Ack!
[yawn]
[feels about for alarm clock]
[discovers hammer]
[smashes alarm clock]

LOL!!!

Post by Ack!
Well, now that you have drawn me out, I'm sure that I cannot be
labelled as either goth or rivethead -- actually I'm not sure what a
"rivethead" is but surmise that it refers to an industrial afficionado

That is correct. You have just won yourself a bouquet of hernias :-))

Post by Ack!
but these styles of music are of great interest to me. I'm
familiar with Deitiphobia, Echoing Green, Joy Electric, Mortal and a
few others on the Christian side and several more bands on the secular
side. That being said, I haven't looked at anything new by these
artists (wouldn't even know if there was or wasn't) nor sought out any
others in quite some time.

To bring you up to speed:

- Deitiphobia split, Walli Shaw went to form Massivivid and Brent
Stackhouse is doing Sheltershed now.
- The Echoing Green has progressed to a little darker sound but is still
recognisable as The echoing Green. They have put out a new record late
last year called The Winter Of Our Discontent.
- Joy Electric is still churning out records as if takes no effort at all
:-)
- Mortal has dissolved and Fold Zandura has gone solo.

Post by Ack!
I checked out your website which borders on overwhelming in content.

Thank you! at least i hope that's a compliment ;-)

Post by Ack!
This is certainly a good place for me to
start. I hope to have some time to peruse it in detail.

You know what they say. If you like it tell everyone and if you don't,
tell me. :-)

Post by Ack!
Most recently I have been leaning towards the more synth side of these
styles. I have found myself listening to Echoing Green over and over
-- partly due to the fact it is one of only four CDs in my car and
partly because, well it's just really appealing to me now. I'm open
to any suggestions in this vein.

Well, the Echoing Green is generally considered to be Synthpop, so i try
to make some recommendations with that in mind. Some other bands that you
may want to check out are ThouShaltNot, Painted Orange (when are *they*
going to put out some new material?), The Promise Book, Rubicon 7
(formerly My Rubicon 7, formerly Lode), Norway (aka Norway2), Monolithic,
Leiahdorus and Sheltershed.

I think that would help you on your way for now :-)

[Ack!]

Post by Balaam's Miracle
- Deitiphobia split, Walli Shaw went to form Massivivid and Brent
Stackhouse is doing Sheltershed now.

Ah so -- I have heard the name Massivivid bounced around. Now I know
who that is. I'll have to check out both some time soon.

Post by Balaam's Miracle
- The Echoing Green has progressed to a little darker sound but is still
recognisable as The echoing Green. They have put out a new record late
last year called The Winter Of Our Discontent.
- Joy Electric is still churning out records as if takes no effort at all
:-)
- Mortal has dissolved and Fold Zandura has gone solo.

Seems like Scholar&Fool gave me an update on this not too long ago.
So is FZ Jyro or Jerome then?

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by Ack!
I checked out your website which borders on overwhelming in content.

Thank you! at least i hope that's a compliment ;-)

You have my permission to take it as one. The only question is where
to start...

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by Ack!
Most recently I have been leaning towards the more synth side of these
styles. I have found myself listening to Echoing Green over and over
-- partly due to the fact it is one of only four CDs in my car and
partly because, well it's just really appealing to me now. I'm open
to any suggestions in this vein.

Well, the Echoing Green is generally considered to be Synthpop, so i try
to make some recommendations with that in mind. Some other bands that you
may want to check out are ThouShaltNot, Painted Orange (when are *they*
going to put out some new material?), The Promise Book, Rubicon 7
(formerly My Rubicon 7, formerly Lode), Norway (aka Norway2), Monolithic,
Leiahdorus and Sheltershed.
I think that would help you on your way for now :-)

Those are good directions for a start. I have Painted Orange
somewhere. I should dust that off for a listen again. Some things
that I have that I did not see on your site are Dancehouse Children,
X-Propogation and Paradigm Shift. I'm not sure if any of these are
still together, but if you listing historical groups as well as
current ones, these might be worth adding.

Ack!

[scholar and fool]

Post by Ack!

Post by Balaam's Miracle
- Deitiphobia split, Walli Shaw went to form Massivivid and Brent
Stackhouse is doing Sheltershed now.

Ah so -- I have heard the name Massivivid bounced around. Now I
know who that is. I'll have to check out both some time soon.

i was never impressed with massivivid. i didn't know brent was
doing anything now though. that's cool. although i noted below
you called it synthpop, which sort of surprises me. brent seemed
to push a darker, more industrial influence on deitiphobia, while
wally seemed more synthpop/dance.

Post by Ack!

Post by Balaam's Miracle
- Joy Electric is still churning out records as if takes no
effort at all :-)

you know, once i got over my hatred of joy electric, i really,
really started to like him. but it seems like his hardline
stance on completely building every sound on analog monosynths
from scratch has maybe limited him too much over the last two
albums. (i've not gotten the latest yet, though.) my opinion.

Post by Ack!

Post by Balaam's Miracle
- Mortal has dissolved and Fold Zandura has gone solo.

Seems like Scholar&Fool gave me an update on this not too
long ago. So is FZ Jyro or Jerome then?

they created fold zandura years ago. like the mid 90's. they
put out a letter saying G-d had told them to put away mortal
(or something to that effect). i never did really like any of
the fold zandura material i heard, except when they got close
to sounding like old mortal. then years later, they signed
to tooth and nail as mortal and put out an album. which i have
not gotten. mortal and fold zandura were both jyro and jerome.
they've both done other stuff over the years, although i haven't
kept up with their careers much in awhile. i think jerome
was/is in switchfoot or some other band like that.

Post by Ack!
Those are good directions for a start. I have Painted Orange
somewhere. I should dust that off for a listen again. Some things
that I have that I did not see on your site are Dancehouse Children,
X-Propogation and Paradigm Shift. I'm not sure if any of these are
still together, but if you listing historical groups as well as
current ones, these might be worth adding.

dancehouse children was ronnie martin (joy electric) and jason
martin (starflyer 59). synthpop. not together. both of those
brothers just seem to be able to constantly crank out material.

x-propogation was a project by brent stackhouse after deitiphobia
blew up. i can't remeber the other guy's name...but i wouldn't
imagine they are still doing anything together. i think it shows
brent's tendency toward more aggressive sounding industrial dance.
or at least his tendency at the time.

paradigm shift was a couple of guys from dallas. i'm not sure
if they've gone on to do anything else or not. they were sort
of trip hop, but not exactly. down tempo dance music. i really
liked their album.

[Ack!]

Please forgive me if this posts multiple times. I'm getting errors
from Google trying to submit this.

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Ack!

Post by Balaam's Miracle
- Mortal has dissolved and Fold Zandura has gone solo.

Seems like Scholar&Fool gave me an update on this not too
long ago. So is FZ Jyro or Jerome then?

they created fold zandura years ago. like the mid 90's. they
put out a letter saying G-d had told them to put away mortal
(or something to that effect). i never did really like any of
the fold zandura material i heard, except when they got close
to sounding like old mortal. then years later, they signed
to tooth and nail as mortal and put out an album. which i have
not gotten. mortal and fold zandura were both jyro and jerome.

That's what I thought. I don't remember hearing anything about FZ
still being in existence in any form.

Post by scholar and fool
they've both done other stuff over the years, although i haven't
kept up with their careers much in awhile. i think jerome
was/is in switchfoot or some other band like that.

Not too long ago, I found a list on the net of all of Jyro and
Jerome's musical credits. Seems like Jyro was doing a lot of
production help for various groups fairly recently but there was no
recent stuff listed for Jerome. That's what I seem to remember, which
may not be entirely accurate.

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Ack!
Those are good directions for a start. I have Painted Orange
somewhere. I should dust that off for a listen again. Some things
that I have that I did not see on your site are Dancehouse Children,
X-Propogation and Paradigm Shift. I'm not sure if any of these are
still together, but if you listing historical groups as well as
current ones, these might be worth adding.

dancehouse children was ronnie martin (joy electric) and jason
martin (starflyer 59). synthpop. not together. both of those
brothers just seem to be able to constantly crank out material.

Ah -- I had not realized these connections before. It's cool when
talent runs in the family.

Post by scholar and fool
x-propogation was a project by brent stackhouse after deitiphobia
blew up. i can't remeber the other guy's name...but i wouldn't
imagine they are still doing anything together. i think it shows
brent's tendency toward more aggressive sounding industrial dance.
or at least his tendency at the time.

Since I pulled my CDs from their jewel cases, I have not really looked
at the credits to see who is in some of these bands. It's obvious
that I should spend more time doing that.

Post by scholar and fool
paradigm shift was a couple of guys from dallas. i'm not sure
if they've gone on to do anything else or not. they were sort
of trip hop, but not exactly. down tempo dance music. i really
liked their album.

I've heard nothing either, but given my distance from the music scene,
that is hardly surprising. I don't remember their sound -- it's been
too long since I played this disk, but I remember liking them enough
at C-stone years back to get the disk in the first place.

It looks like I'm building my list of CDs to dust off this weekend.

Ack!

[t***@houston.rr.com]

On 17 Jun 2004 19:10:42 GMT, scholar and fool <***@failure.net>
wrote:

<snip>

How about Hounds of Heaven come out with a new one? :)

Trueblade

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
How about Hounds of Heaven come out with a new one? :)

I can't say i have ever heard of them...
Could you give me an URL or something?

[scholar and fool]

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
How about Hounds of Heaven come out with a new one? :)

I can't say i have ever heard of them...
Could you give me an URL or something?

trueblade is joshing with me. hounds of heaven was a "goth" band
on blonde vinyl, the label done by mike knott of lsu/aunt bettys
back in the early 90's. deitiphobia's albums were on blonde vinyl.
anyway...my opinion of hounds of heaven was quite negative, and
trueblade knows it. :) "there's a hole in the wall that the rats
crawl through, and they're coming for me and they're coming for
you"... thanks trueblade, you're a real pal. that better not get
stuck in my head now.

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by scholar and fool
trueblade is joshing with me. hounds of heaven was a "goth" band
on blonde vinyl, the label done by mike knott of lsu/aunt bettys
back in the early 90's. deitiphobia's albums were on blonde vinyl.
anyway...my opinion of hounds of heaven was quite negative, and
trueblade knows it. :)

Ah, i see.
But my curiosity has been aroused now, and i would still like to know what
they sound(ed) like...

[scholar and fool]

Post by Balaam's Miracle

[...] hounds of heaven was a "goth" band on blonde vinyl, the
label done by mike knott of lsu/aunt bettys back in the early
90's. deitiphobia's albums were on blonde vinyl. anyway...my
opinion of hounds of heaven was quite negative, and trueblade
knows it. :)

Ah, i see.
But my curiosity has been aroused now, and i would still
like to know what they sound(ed) like...

crap? ;)

i don't know. maybe some people liked them. i doubt there are
a whole lot of the cds floating around these days. i may still
have one stashed away somewhere, but i kind of doubt it. perhaps
trueblade has one. it's been a long time, so i'm not really sure
i could adequately describe their sound, other than that i didn't
like it.

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
But my curiosity has been aroused now, and i would still
like to know what they sound(ed) like...

crap? ;)

You would be surprized how much "crap" i have in my collection. I have
lost of stuff that shouldn't have been put out on MP3, let alone on CD. :-)

Still, i'm a collector and if there is a band that i have never heard of,
i think i should find out more about them and what they sounded like and
if possible, get my hands on a CD or at least one MP3.

Post by scholar and fool
i don't know. maybe some people liked them. i doubt there are
a whole lot of the cds floating around these days. i may still
have one stashed away somewhere, but i kind of doubt it. perhaps
trueblade has one. it's been a long time, so i'm not really sure
i could adequately describe their sound, other than that i didn't
like it.

That's okay, i'll try to find someone that *do* like them then ;-))

[t***@houston.rr.com]

*snicker*

Actually I do have it...and Plague of Ethyls too :)

Death Trip

There's a hole in the floor where the rats come through
And they're coming for me and they're coming for you
With a will to survive and an instinct to live
Gonna take what you got, gonna take what you give

I'm gonna take your little sister, gonna take her by the hand
I know you really love her and you do the best you can
But if you want to know the truth, you know,
you really make me sick. Here's a buck, take your smokes and go

It's a death trip

:)

And something else to rattle your cage Rev Phool:

"Don't kick the weasel
Cause the weasel isn't bad
Put the black black hat
On the crooked crooked back"

hehe...don't make me get out the RedInk too

Trueblade was here

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:33:22 GMT, scholar and fool

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
How about Hounds of Heaven come out with a new one? :)

I can't say i have ever heard of them...
Could you give me an URL or something?

trueblade is joshing with me. hounds of heaven was a "goth" band
on blonde vinyl, the label done by mike knott of lsu/aunt bettys
back in the early 90's. deitiphobia's albums were on blonde vinyl.
anyway...my opinion of hounds of heaven was quite negative, and
trueblade knows it. :) "there's a hole in the wall that the rats
crawl through, and they're coming for me and they're coming for
you"... thanks trueblade, you're a real pal. that better not get
stuck in my head now.

[Ack!]

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
*snicker*
Actually I do have it...and Plague of Ethyls too :)
[snip]
"Don't kick the weasel
Cause the weasel isn't bad
Put the black black hat
On the crooked crooked back"

That's a cool tune! I love that one!!!

Ack!

[pmfh]

Post by Ack!

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
*snicker*
Actually I do have it...and Plague of Ethyls too :)
[snip]
"Don't kick the weasel
Cause the weasel isn't bad
Put the black black hat
On the crooked crooked back"

That's a cool tune! I love that one!!!
Ack!

I have to say, I love that one, too, and haven't listened to the tape in
*years*...

Can't recall anything else from the rest of the album, though.

pmfh.
http://journalscape.com/guru/

[scholar and fool]

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
*snicker*
Actually I do have it...and Plague of Ethyls too :)
Death Trip
[...]
:)

thanks alot. :|

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
"Don't kick the weasel
Cause the weasel isn't bad
Put the black black hat
On the crooked crooked back"

i actually like plague of ethyls. it would appear your
nefarious plans have backfired this time.

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
hehe...don't make me get out the RedInk too

i never really heard the first red ink, and i haven't
listened to the second one in years. in fact, ash may
have borrowed it and never returned it. (sort of like
my irreplaceable _potluck suicide_ by eric hann. grr.)

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by scholar and fool

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
hehe...don't make me get out the RedInk too

i never really heard the first red ink, and i haven't
listened to the second one in years. in fact, ash may
have borrowed it and never returned it. (sort of like
my irreplaceable _potluck suicide_ by eric hann. grr.)

Dude, i had that cassette! IIRC the lyrics went something like this "it
was a potluck suicide, wonder why he died, we all know but we don't wanna
tell" (oh well, it's been a looooong time). I loved that tape until it
inexplicabilly disappeared from my collection. I tore the house apart but
it was gone.
It still bothers me that i lost that one.

[scholar and fool]

Post by Balaam's Miracle

[...] (sort of like
my irreplaceable _potluck suicide_ by eric hann. grr.)

Dude, i had that cassette! IIRC the lyrics went something like this
"it was a potluck suicide, wonder why he died, we all know but we
don't wanna tell" (oh well, it's been a looooong time). I loved that
tape until it inexplicabilly disappeared from my collection. I tore
the house apart but it was gone.
It still bothers me that i lost that one.

that's the one. great stuff. i still have the case with the liner,
but no cassette. i would love it if i could find someone who has it
and has transferred it to mp3 or wav or could make me a dub. or maybe
if someone knows eric and could get a copy from him. that would rock.

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
"it was a potluck suicide, wonder why he died, we all know but we
don't wanna tell"

that's the one. great stuff. i still have the case with the liner,
but no cassette. i would love it if i could find someone who has it
and has transferred it to mp3 or wav or could make me a dub. or maybe
if someone knows eric and could get a copy from him. that would rock.

I don't know Eric, but i have found some pages that could be pointing to
him.

Eric Hann (musician) :
http://www.humboldtmusic.com/webpage/index.cfm?id=1229
Eric Hann (pastor) : http://www.bethelbaptistesc.org/Pastor.Message.htm
Eric Hann (developer):
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/db2/library/techarticle/0205hann/0205hann.html#author1

My guess is that the first one is the one that we are looking for (sorry,
i let myself go for a bit) ;-)

But Potluck Suicide had at least one other member:
John R. Mabry: http://www.apocryphile.net/jrm/

Anyway, it may be worth contacting either of them.

[scholar and fool]

Post by Balaam's Miracle
I don't know Eric, but i have found some pages that could be
pointing to him.
http://www.humboldtmusic.com/webpage/index.cfm?id=1229
http://www.bethelbaptistesc.org/Pastor.Message.htm Eric Hann
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/db2/library/techarticle/0205hann/
0205hann.html#author1
My guess is that the first one is the one that we are looking for
(sorry, i let myself go for a bit) ;-)

thanks for doing all the legwork. ;)

while the first one is a musician, he looks way too metally and into the
wrong styles of music, imo. i'm almost sure i'd heard the guy who did
the "potluck suicide" album and the "one inch from dumb" track on the acm
journal comp was in seminary (or at least a religious college), so i'm
thinking it may be the second one.

Post by Balaam's Miracle
John R. Mabry: http://www.apocryphile.net/jrm/
Anyway, it may be worth contacting either of them.

the fact this guy was going to a baptist college and the second eric
above is a pastor at a baptist church could be another link...

nevertheless, i just e-mailed john mabry to see if he knows anything
about eric these days or how i could get my grimy hands on a copy.

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by scholar and fool
while the first one is a musician, he looks way too metally and into the
wrong styles of music, imo.

You don't know what changes his musical tastes may have undergone over the
years...
I mean, only 5 years ago, i was completely into punk, now i can hardly
stomach the stuff. Go fig.

Post by scholar and fool
i'm almost sure i'd heard the guy who did
the "potluck suicide" album and the "one inch from dumb" track on the acm
journal comp was in seminary (or at least a religious college), so i'm
thinking it may be the second one.

I would be sort of disappointed if that's him. I mean, he looks so....
Well... Not like someone who'd make that kind of music. (i wanted to say
something else, but that could have gotten me into trouble :-))

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
John R. Mabry: http://www.apocryphile.net/jrm/

the fact this guy was going to a baptist college and the second eric
above is a pastor at a baptist church could be another link...
nevertheless, i just e-mailed john mabry to see if he knows anything
about eric these days or how i could get my grimy hands on a copy.

Well, make sure that you let me know when you hear back from him and also,
make sure you get him to send me a copy as well.
One more thing, he should put Potluck Suicide out on CD. I'd buy it, if
nothing else it would be for old times sake.

[p***@gmail.com]

http://weblog.failure.net/archives/2005/10/potluck_suicide.html

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
Actually I do have it...and Plague of Ethyls too :)

8<

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
It's a death trip

I have managed to find a place online that still sells it. It's going for
5.99 now (ex. p&h). Now i *know* that i'm going to order it! all i have to
do is wait for my next paycheck :-)

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
hehe...don't make me get out the RedInk too

Red Ink? You mean that semi-punk, semi-trash metal band? The one that put
out the cassette Raw Meat? I used to love that!

[scholar and fool]

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
It's a death trip

I have managed to find a place online that still sells it. It's going
for 5.99 now (ex. p&h). Now i *know* that i'm going to order it! all
i have to do is wait for my next paycheck :-)

prepared to be disappointed. although with all of the setup, it may
not be as horrible because you've prepared yourself for it. perhaps it
may find some kind of kitsch value that makes it worth owning.

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
hehe...don't make me get out the RedInk too

Red Ink? You mean that semi-punk, semi-trash metal band? The one that
put out the cassette Raw Meat? I used to love that!

that would be the one. trueblade and i are friends with some
of the guys that were in red ink. (the aforementioned ash that
lost my _potluck suicide_ cassette being one of them.)

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
I have managed to find a place online that still sells it. It's going
for 5.99 now (ex. p&h). Now i *know* that i'm going to order it! all
i have to do is wait for my next paycheck :-)

prepared to be disappointed. although with all of the setup, it may
not be as horrible because you've prepared yourself for it. perhaps it
may find some kind of kitsch value that makes it worth owning.

f nothing else, it will have a collecor's value. As stated before. i am a
collector, i want it all! :-)
Sure i can download stuff from P2P networks and burn it to CD, but it
wouldn't feel like the real thing.
Besides, original CDs look better on my wall :-)
Not that i don't use P2P, i use it on a daily basis.

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
Red Ink? You mean that semi-punk, semi-trash metal band? The one that
put out the cassette Raw Meat? I used to love that!

that would be the one. trueblade and i are friends with some
of the guys that were in red ink. (the aforementioned ash that
lost my _potluck suicide_ cassette being one of them.)

Yeah, i know Ash, say Hi for me, will you?
I doubt that he'll remember me (people called me Peter Punk back then),
but he'll surely remember God's Pleasure Theatre in Utrecht, Holland.
I'm curious, did he ever made that Dutch song he was so determined to make?

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
How about Hounds of Heaven come out with a new one? :)

I just got the new Automata magazin in, guess what?
Hounds of Heaven disbanded about 2 years after the release of the album
Virtue and Virginity, some may already know that.
One of these guys got inspired a few years ago and formed the band Batzz
in the Belfry, which happens to be one of my favorite Goth bands for the
last half year.

Their website is at http://www.batzz.com/ and you can download all their
tracks there. Batzz is good stuff. If you are into Goth, check 'em out.

Oh, and it would be great if someone who knows Hounds of Heaven can tell
me how they compare to Batzz in the Belfry.

[scholar and fool]

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by t***@houston.rr.com
How about Hounds of Heaven come out with a new one? :)

I just got the new Automata magazin in, guess what?
Hounds of Heaven disbanded about 2 years after the release of the
album Virtue and Virginity, some may already know that.
One of these guys got inspired a few years ago and formed the band
Batzz in the Belfry, which happens to be one of my favorite Goth
bands for the last half year.
Their website is at http://www.batzz.com/ and you can download all
their tracks there. Batzz is good stuff. If you are into Goth, check
'em out.
Oh, and it would be great if someone who knows Hounds of Heaven can
tell me how they compare to Batzz in the Belfry.

you know, i just got back from c-stone and i saw a number of hounds
of heaven cds in several cut-out bins for like $2 or $3. i couldn't
force myself to buy one though, even for kitsch value.

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by scholar and fool

Post by Balaam's Miracle
I just got the new Automata magazin in, guess what?
Hounds of Heaven disbanded about 2 years after the release of the
album Virtue and Virginity, some may already know that.
One of these guys got inspired a few years ago and formed the band
Batzz in the Belfry, which happens to be one of my favorite Goth
bands for the last half year.

you know, i just got back from c-stone and i saw a number of hounds
of heaven cds in several cut-out bins for like $2 or $3. i couldn't
force myself to buy one though, even for kitsch value.

Ah, but i was no longer talking about HoH, but about Batzz. all i wanted
to know was how BitB compares to (what you remember of) HoH.

But since you brought it up, i did order the Virtue and Virginity album
through Christiandisks.com today, so i guess i will find out in 1 or 2
weeks if their sound has changed much over time :-)

[Balaam's Miracle]

On 17 Jun 2004 11:10:55 -0700, Ack! <***@engr.colostate.edu> wrote:

Since Scholar and Fool alread answered your other questions, i'll jump to
the ones that he didn't answer :-)

Post by Ack!

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by Ack!
I checked out your website which borders on overwhelming in content.

Thank you! at least i hope that's a compliment ;-)

You have my permission to take it as one. The only question is where
to start...

In your case, maybe the Synthpop section of the Band Index would be a good
place to start, just start at the top and work your way down. Most of the
artists have an MP3 page where you can download some samples of their work
(and sometimes they make complete albums available!)

Post by Ack!
Some things that I have that I did not see on your site are Dancehouse
Children,

Danchouse Children don't really fit into my page, although Roonny Martin
played in it. DHC is just too... dancey as in commercial dancemusic.

Post by Ack!
X-Propogation

I did have X-Propagation on the site until i went through a phase in which
i only wanted bands on the site that have a "web-presence", meaning that
there should be an official website, an MP3 page or both. X-Propagation
didn't have that at that time, but i will go and see if i can find a site
again, maybe it was temporarily down or something.

Post by Ack!
and Paradigm Shift.

I remember that i have listened to Paradigm Shift once but decided that it
was not a band that would fit in my list either. I don't remember quite
why though...

[scholar and fool]

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by Ack!
X-Propogation

I did have X-Propagation on the site until i went through a phase in
which i only wanted bands on the site that have a "web-presence",
meaning that there should be an official website, an MP3 page or
both. X-Propagation didn't have that at that time, but i will go and
see if i can find a site again, maybe it was temporarily down or
something.

i don't recall x-prop ever having a website.

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by Ack!
and Paradigm Shift.

I remember that i have listened to Paradigm Shift once but decided
that it was not a band that would fit in my list either. I don't
remember quite why though...

i haven't gone to your site, but they're totally dance music. not
poppy, syrupy, dance music - but very much dance music. they wouldn't
really fit in with industrial or ebm or darkwave or any other type of
music that has a darker edge or whatever. they belong with n*soul.

[Balaam's Miracle]

Post by scholar and fool
i don't recall x-prop ever having a website.

I seem to remember that at one point in time, there was an MP3.com page
for X-Propagation.
Of course, MP3.com has closed its doors now, so that is not a good point
to start from. But maybe they still have an IUMA or SoundClick page hidden
somewhere...

Post by scholar and fool
i haven't gone to your site, but they're totally dance music. not
poppy, syrupy, dance music - but very much dance music. they wouldn't
really fit in with industrial or ebm or darkwave or any other type of
music that has a darker edge or whatever. they belong with n*soul.

That must be it then. It's been so long since i last heard Paradigm Shift.
I do have Paradigm Quest and Paradigm Lost on my site, but both are very
non-dance music. :-)

[Ack!]

Post by Balaam's Miracle

Post by scholar and fool
i haven't gone to your site, but they're totally dance music. not
poppy, syrupy, dance music - but very much dance music. they wouldn't
really fit in with industrial or ebm or darkwave or any other type of
music that has a darker edge or whatever. they belong with n*soul.

That must be it then. It's been so long since i last heard Paradigm Shift.
I do have Paradigm Quest and Paradigm Lost on my site, but both are very
non-dance music. :-)

It's been a very long time since I gave that disc a listen either.
From what I vaguely remember it would be classified (by the Europeans
at least) as techno. I'm not sure I know where you've drawn the
borders of your page, but maybe it's not a good fit.

Ack!